https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Be8vE-Spb8. Gohan is a prodigy. Goku’s losses against Vegeta don’t bother him, though, mainly because he doesn’t see Vegeta as a rival at all. Sounds right, doesn’t it? Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. All footage use are the products of funimation entertainment. 10 Pokémon Who Look Nothing Like Their Base Form, Sword & Shield: 10 Bede Memes That Are Too Hilarious For Words, The 10 Best FPS Developers According To Metacritic, Ranked, Pokemon: 14 Legitimately Evil Things Gym Leaders Do (That Everyone Ignores), 10 Games To Play Until Cyberpunk 2077 Gets Updated, 5 Best Things About Sephiroth in Super Smash Bros. With the DB Fighterz game out, I've become rather nostalgic about DBZ. There are countless times when he ignored his family. He left home to see the world with Bulma only to ultimately leave his new home to train Uub and show him the world. Vegeta is not a family man. When Piccolo arrives, Vegeta tells him to take the boys to safety and then asks if he will meet Goku in the Other World when he dies. You forget that Vegeta was extremely resentful that Goku hid ssj3, and he would not have fought if he knew about it ahead of time. Goku wants a rematch with Vegeta. In the Saiyan arc, Goku struggles with the revelation that he was a Saiyan all along, rejecting the notion until he finally has to accept it before fighting Freeza. >Spares Vegeta just because he wants to fight him. So much tact, in fact, that Goku loses way more than he wins. On Namek. Chichi doesnt care about Goku but Bulma does - DBZ - YouTube B. Goku is just as much a juggernaut to him and he is to Goku. Well, not quite. This was never the problem, though. Goku’s win-loss ratio has gotten so bad in recent years that he doesn’t so much as defeat a single arc villain in Dragon Ball Super. Goku’s fight against Frieza is just a slog, but Vegeta’s does have a cathartic factor to it. Goku has no idea that Vegeta will eventually switch sides, and he doesn't care. He cares. The original series began with him and the original series ended with him. Goku brings up Chichi with the frequency of a man who genuinely loves and cares about his wife. This is just how martial arts works. This isn’t to say he doesn’t train hard- he constantly does- but that Goku knows himself well enough to understand that pushing himself too far is torture. And he's willing to "play" with Goku and Vegeta. He’s a good man with mixed priorities, but that’s what makes him compelling. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. After all, Vegeta ends the Saiyan arc defeated and their bout in the Majin Buu arc is clouded by Super Saiyan 3 on the horizon. A third factor that may have motivated Vegeta into not using Super Saiyan 3 was his rivalry with Goku. (REVENGE!!!). Not only does Goku have a character arc that spans the entire series, it’s utterly massive in length. Goku is a fine dad. He doesn’t even win a single battle in the Cell arc. Goku, though? Even though Goku basically codified the “dumb, but strong” Shonen protagonist archetype, he doesn’t actually fit the mold himself. He does want to be stronger than him though. He was raised by Grandpa Gohan and Master Roshi. Who does Frieza hate more? Ultimately, Vegeta acknowledges this to be true and feels genuine remorse for his actions, deciding to … Really, Goku doesn't care at all about coming home to be there for his family. I refuse to care about Vegeta getting the W more then Vegeta does himself. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla: A Guide To All Of The Light Shields, 25 Things Everyone Gets Wrong About Goku In Dragon Ball, Mass Effect: Everything You Didn't Know About The Krogan. I want Vegeta to be the one to take down Beerus though a team effort seems to be the outlook. Despite the fact that others may be put in danger because of this, Goku wants Vegeta to be spared. Yamcha is widely considered to be Goku’s first real rival. Unfortunately, the show itself doesn’t. Going through old fan forums from before the series gained notoriety here in the west shows a rather consistent analysis of Goku: he’s kind, selfish, and loves fighting above all else. Obsessed Fan. Vegeta still carries their rivalry, but Goku is more interested in martial artists like Hit and Jiren. He feels no obligation to keep the world intact so he doesn’t bother. It’s constantly changing, too. While he’s certainly uneducated, Goku’s lack of intelligence stops there. New Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot Trailer is All About Vegeta and Goku. Both were sent to Earth as babies; both are pure of heart; and both fight for what’s right. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. He angrily accused Goku of mocking him. In the grand scheme of things it's for their own good, that Goku can train and be prepared for the next big threat to the universe, but for Chichi it sucks and she probably doesn't understand that perspective. He knew the entire time. The rivalry between Goku and Vegeta focuses a lot on who does what better or worse than the other, but every now and then, we have to acknowledge moments where they are truly equal, and this is one of those times. “Goku develops in the original Dragon Ball” is a sentiment you hear quite a lot within the fandom. So long as the series continues, so will Goku’s character arc. We can't have a character screaming about the same thing for 20 years or we'd have another Scorpion. Both Vegeta and Goku have encountered evil duplicates of themselves, such as Goku Black or Copy Vegeta. As a kid, he was naive. Not because he … In many ways, these are both true. aton_ra 3 years ago #2. That’s not stealing, that’s aptitude. But I think his goal remains to stay stronger than Goku and to defeat enemies (be they rising evils or tournament opponents) that Goku cannot. Spin-offs and non-Toriyama written material tends to flanderize those traits, but the real Goku is not dumb. Vegeta does not fight opponents who sandbag as he regards it as spitting on his honour. Does vegeta care for gohan. During the Tournament of Power, Vegeta's identity was put to the test; after Goku had awakened the powers of Ultra Instinct, Vegeta tried his hardest to follow in Goku's footsteps, going as far as to take on Jiren alone despite knowing that the Universe 11 warrior could easily toss him aside like trash. Despite the fact that others may be put in danger because of this, Goku wants Vegeta to be spared. The concept of having a wife and children is novel to him since his main goal in life is to become stronger than Goku. Goku has NOT always been just some idiot who only cares about fighting, with his heroic deeds mainly being incidental. I think it should have a more healthy ratio. This is a surface level reading, though. Given how obsessed Goku is with his hobby, I'm pretty sure he values that more. Vegeta and Trunks combined couldn't damage Merged Zamasu. Goku is a lower class Saiyan who barely registered to his father (in the original canon) and ultimately worked himself up from nothing. I'm gonna need some citation on that. Even if Vegeta won, it wouldn’t be enough. Even Goku uses Super Saiyan 2 more than he does Super Saiyan 3. All one needs is a genuine passion for martial arts to be strong. Even though Goku is clearly stronger, Krillin is able to catch up and put up a far better fight than Yamcha ever did. As Toriyama intended, Goku was never much of a hero. Xandalan . discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. With the recent retconning of Bardock’s characterization, this idea has never been pushed so hard. So hard, in fact, many fans believe that he’s entitled to a stronger or higher status than Goku. After all, Vegeta is always shown training whereas Goku generally takes a more relaxed approach. Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegeta might have better arcs in terms of emotional impact, but Goku’s development starts with him meeting Bulma and doesn’t end until he flies off with Uub, encompassing the entire original series. For a time, it was a fairly understandable one too. Even if you aren’t familiar with the series, it’s quite obvious that Vegeta’s disdain towards Goku stems from the fact that he has never beaten the lower class Saiyan in a fair fight. At the very end of the fight, with his limbs broken, Goku uses his ability to fly in order to sneak attack Piccolo and secure his victory. I don't think so. He isn’t as debatably good as husband as he is a father, but he’s not bad. The concept of having a wife and children is novel to him since his main goal in life is to become stronger than Goku. While Goku is the classic pure hearted hero, Vegeta is more interesting. Congrats! Its a friendly rivalry. Topic Archived; First; Previous; Page . However, looking back, I think Vegeta is of the better characters of the series. If he exceeded Goku for very long, he could risk losing his motivation. By the second arc, he’s been properly schooled by Master Roshi and never really does or says anything to imply a severe lack of intelligence. He didn’t suddenly learn to fly- he saved it for a moment that would come in handy. His talents were built through brutal training, not his innate abilities. Bulma was devastated and wanted Goku to kill Vegeta for his actions. Other than that they're just rivals in my eyes. Gohan just doesn’t match the tone of the series necessitating a more proactive character like Goku to maintain the lead. I honestly think he's silently waiting to get strong enough to kick Beerus' ass after all the blatant disrespect. 11 VEGETA HAS LEARNED USEFUL SKILLS BESIDES FIGHTING. Even then, though, class means nothing and Goku proves that. vegeta is weaker because vegeta had to become majin so he can beat goku. Part of what makes Goku so compelling as a character is the frequency at which he improves. He’s the only member of the main cast along with Pu’er to not develop during that first arc. D. Goku seems out of Vegeta's reach in terms of him being as powerful as him. Goku’s losses against Vegeta don’t bother him, though, mainly because he doesn’t see Vegeta as a rival at all. Member. After all, he barely spends any time with his sons. Yes, Goku was concealing his ability to become a Super Saiyin 3, but Goku's obsession with mercy and fairness has repeatedly been shown to be a weakness that backfires on him, such as trying to spare Frieza, and giving Cell a senzu bean. Goku even says this to Vegeta outright during the Cell arc. He’s not the best, but he’s not bad either. >Spares Piccolo and gives him a Senzu just because he wants to fight him. I still haven't finished watching Super, but don't worry, I don't care about spoilers, post away. Looks to me like he is more interested in discovering how strong he can become then smashing that plateau. The fight’s subtext, along with the rest of the arc, strongly implies that Goku was hiding his best techniques all along. This is a man who learned the value of life, accepted his heritage, and ultimately found a martial artist nirvana. C. Goku refuses to use his Saiyan name. Vegeta thinks that as well as Goku not being strict towards Saiyan tradition as very nauseating. On his own, Gohan is quite passive. I do not own the right or content of any dragonball images or footage. At its core, Dragon Ball is the story of Son Goku. As a result- and by virtue of being another of Roshi’s initial students- Krillin is Goku’s first rival, not Yamcha. EDIT: I meant when both are in SSB form. When he was asking if that was the end of Goku, he seemed more concerned for Goku rather than his own hide . Maybe now Vegeta cares. Goku has admittedly dialed back on Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Super, but does return to it when the situation calls for it. How do we know it's "significantly" stronger? Now Hit could be the new rival. And we are talking about children older as Name Gohan and similar to OG DB Goku. He was furious when Rafitz took Gohan at the beginning of Z, so much so that he sacrificed his life to take down his own brother so he didn’t hurt anyone anymore. In the Majin Buu Saga, Goku reveals that Super Saiyan 3 is a transformation that he has long possessed. Freeza is a literal prodigy. Freeza is a prodigy. During their first battle, Goku straight up lost. He understands when it’s necessary, such as in the conflict against both Buuhan and Merged Zamasu, but he always follows it up by letting Vegeta know that he doesn’t want to rely on fusion again- a sentiment his other half shares in full. While he is certainly selfish and uneducated, the series- especially in the Goku Black arc and first half of the Tournament of Power- really pushes an exaggerated depiction of Son Goku for really no real reason. Bardock is finally someone Goku could be proud of. You can only do so much with Great Saiyaman. You'll see in some parts of the series that he does care, especially when someone disrespects his family. By the time Vegeta joins the cast, Goku has trained under Master Roshi, Kami, and King Kai, the most talented warriors of his world and his galaxy. Rather, Goku has an active disdain for fusion. "Needless prominence" oh lol please rewatch Z. I've figured Beerus is his rival of sorts. The sub is nearly all fanart and little discussion. For most of the original series, Goku actively hates Vegeta. They're two of the best arcs if nothing else. 2,913. Throughout DB & Z, there were numerous instances of him having an ethical basis behind his decisions. Unfortunately, Funimation either did not understand Goku or particularly care for his original characterization. Due to his position as the prince of all Saiyans and being a Saiyan elite, arrogance and hubris are the air he breathes. Come Super, Goku’s win-loss rate has honestly never been worse. Also correct me if I'm wrong but it was my assumption that SSB+Kaio Ken was the strongest form we've seen (aside from Vegito Blue, but since he's a fusion he doesn't count as personal strength). For the entire first arc, he’s basically being guided on a leash by Bulma as there’s really no unifying thread between his character and his motivation. Pushed to his breaking point, Frieza impulsively destroys the Planet Earth. He’s not like Superman; he’s not a superhero. Although Vegeta considers himself the loser in his fights against Goku, the truth is that Goku has never defeated Vegeta in a fight. Although Goku is one of four characters in the series who fuses more than once, (the others being Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks,) he isn’t a fan of it like his son is. The Kamehameha was Master Roshi’s the Genki Dama was Kaio’s, and the Taiyoken was Tien Shinhan’s. He really does love Chichi even if newer material in the series pushes this idea that they’ve never kissed (one of Super’s weirder gags, honestly.) For whatever reason, fans have accepted this idea that Goku’s arc is complete by the start of the Saiyan arc, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. That’s a bit wrong, though. On Namek. So while Goku is still a driving force that keeps Vegeta motivated, is Vegeta himself the thing that must be beaten? Isn’t that special in its own right, though? The idea of Goku as the strongest character mainly comes from the anime embellishing his power during the Buu arc to make the final battle a bit more traditional. *very light spoilers* User Info: INCEPTlON. In the case of the latter, fans are finally getting a dub that portrays Goku accurately. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! 9 He Did Not Care For His Family. He explicitly states that he doesn’t care about Vegeta when he decides to finally accept his Saiyan heritage. In the Buu arc, Goku realizes he won’t be around forever and actively struggles with the concept of responsibility. Why? Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku due to having six extra months of time chamber training. From there, this motivation drives Goku for the rest of the series. Goku trains smart, not hard. For more casual fans of the series, it’s easy to see Goku as a rather formulaic protagonist. Goku easily has the largest roster of techniques in the series and most fans attest that this is because Goku “steals” techniques. I'm not saying I have something against Vegeta being stronger, out of the two I like Vegeta more but Imma need some proof. On that note, there are only two arcs in the entire series where Goku is actually the strongest character: the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the Namek arc. So does Beerus genuinely care for Goku? If that wasn't a lifetime of catharsis right there, I don't know what is. 124 Gurus were better than me in BGE 2015 contest! Dragon Ball just doesn't work without Goku. The problem is that he isn’t alive all that often. Ever since Goku hit the Super Saiyan mark, he has never looked back. Going into the revival, although the two are equal, Goku sees Vegeta more as a friend than anything. I think he still cares, he just isn't as vocal about it anymore. In the latter, Goku is the legendary Super Saiyan. Looks to me like he is more interested in discovering how strong he can become then smashing that plateau. No amount of retcons can fix that. No one can deny that he works himself hard, but some fans do see this as a natural penchant for martial arts to the point where all of Goku’s accomplishment can be undermined by his role as a “prodigy.”. For as amazing as Goku’s final fight with Piccolo Junior at the end of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai is, many fans don’t take kindly to Goku learning to fly at the very last minute in order to defeat Piccolo. saiyanwarrior. Goku was equal with both Yamcha and Krillin when they first met; weaker than Roshi, Tien Shinhan, Piccolo, and Vegeta; and didn’t have nearly as much potential as Trunks, Goten, or Gohan. And this was before he used Kaio Ken. From fighting the Red Ribbon Army to flying off with Uub, all Goku wants is a life full of excitement through combat. He doesn't want to defeat Goku in the sense of killing him, but he definitely wants to be stronger, and as of right now, Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku due to having six extra months of time chamber training. Anyone familiar with martial arts, though, will understand why Goku is stronger. That being said he of course wouldn't be happy with Goku training and creating a power gap between them. Goku loves Chichi in a way only Goku could. I would never expect Vegeta to be very PDA, he is extremely introverted. 2,913. It’s a story and an arc that comes full circle. Which does kind of undermine Yamcha’s role as a rival. Pretty sure he does. The closest I've seen Vegeta and Goku being friends is at the end of the Buu saga when they both give each other a thumbs-up. Vegeta has been in a constant state of not just trying to surpass Goku but to just meet him as an equal in the field. He explicitly states that he doesn’t care about Vegeta when he decides to finally accept his Saiyan heritage. In the Cell arc, Goku realizes that he keeps attracting danger so he raises a successor in Gohan. By the end of the Buu arc, Goku has lost roughly half of all his fights. Jiren has always had an incredible advantage. Throughout the first two arcs of Dragon Ball Z, Vegeta regularly states how Goku is a low-class warrior while he himself is a super elite warrior class. He also rejected Nappa's idea of breeding a race of half saiyans. Beerus straight up defeats him; Freeza uses a sneak attack to end his fight with Goku; Goku forfeits his fight with Hit; Goku needs to fuse to beat Zamasu (and doesn’t even win;) and Goku’s Ultra Instinct runs out before he can deal the finishing blow on Jiren, needing to team up with Freeza and 17 to secure a victory. If hes going to blunder that hard when it comes time, then he couldn't be bothered. This is the father of modern Shonen and it has a bit more tact. After Goku let Vegeta retreat, Bulma was not pleased but found solace that Yamcha and the others who died can be resurrected by the Namek Dragon Balls. Then Goku does this again when Frieza returns, toying with the tyrant so long that he loses and the Earth temporarily gets destroyed. No he isn't. That being said he of course wouldn't be happy with Goku training and creating a power gap between them. Saiyans have a pretty strong reputation as being nothing more than gym rats who only care about training, growing stronger, and testing their power. He isn’t around often, but he always shows up to steal the win against the arc villain. Kaioken obviously makes Goku much stronger. Goku doesn’t learn to fly. Goku has developed his own style of fighting based of the dozens of martial artists he’s met through the years. This is one thing that's never changed over Vegeta's … If Goku had not trained, Vegeta would of won. In fact, we have Toriyama on record stating that Goku was simply a better fit for the style of story he was trying to tell. As a result, several fans don’t have a sense of who Goku actually is. He crossed the line when he tells Future Trunks that he does not care if … In reality, it’s not until the very end of the Cell arc where Toriyama decided to pass the torch from Goku to Gohan. INCEPTlON 3 years ago #1. On that note, Goku isn’t a bad husband either. Rather, their whole rivalry revolves around the fact that Vegeta feels like he personally couldn’t keep up with Goku when he, by all accounts, should have defeated him easily. He isn’t a prodigy, though. 10 TOTALLY DIFFERENT: THEIR TRAINING Vegeta stayed behind Goku for a long time because he simply didn’t have the training that Goku does. About children older as Name Gohan and similar to OG DB Goku has long possessed with far too much him... To flanderize those traits, but Goku is the story of Son Goku a.. 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